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economy and how do we get us back to that and, two, how do you solve a problem? >> second big development. a growing number of liberal democrats say they're willing to risk going off the cliff to make sure raising taxes on the wealthy is part of the deal. politico is calling them cliff jumpers. l good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> let me play a couple of clips to start out about the pledge. >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> a pledge you sign 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that congress. if i were in congress in 1841 i would have supported declaration of war against japan. i won't attack japan today. the world changed and the economic situation is different. >> i am not oblg gate on the pledge. i was just elected. the only thing i am honoring is the oath that i take when i serve when i am sworn in in january. >> chambliss already made a similar statement last week. the question is is this a real softening of positions? does it give them room to make deal. >> two things.
the economy toppling back into recession. >> everyone i've had on this program, all the members of congress, have said to me, joanne, we have to get this done, of course it's going to get done. but we should remember it was a year ago today the grand bargain failed. so what's it going to take? >> you know, i think it might take the new congress being seated. i mean, if you think about it, you still have a lame duck congress so, while the election may have changed the atmosphere and sort of the story line for the members, the actual people themselves are still there. so they've not changed their ideologies at all. i think that the problem is that you have john boehner, president and mitch mcconnell negotiating with the exact same congress that they had when they couldn't make a deal the last time. so i think until the personnel change, i'm not sure you can get a deal. >> and juan kessler, the fact checker for "the washington post," has reported that, you know, you have to come from, like, some point point. you have to have a negotiating point to start with. he said democrats and republicans
these frightening details about what happens to the economy if we go off the fiscal cliff, a key point they say consumer spending would take a $200 billion hit next year. is there a growing sense, though, dana, that going off the cliff would be preferable to caving on issues that are important frankly to both sides? >> certainly the extremes on both sides are saying that it may be preferable. it is entirely possible that that's what will happen. sort of like those discussions of can we survive, you know, the nuclear winter. it is -- the good news is that a deal is fairly obvious what needs to be put into it. it's just a question of when the political will comes together. it can be done very quickly if people are willing to, but it does seem as if they are now preparing for the blame game that follows with the assumption that they're going off the fiscal cliff with whatever economic calamity comes with it. >> i want to bring in congressman peter defazio, a democrat from oregon. good morning. >> good morning. >> you're one of the folks who have said, correct me if i'm wrong, that republicans won'
and cataclysmic effect on the economy. what does immediately change is december you have the bush tax rates in effect. january, you have the clinton tax rates in effect. democrats are better off negotiating from the clinton rates and then they're saying, okay, look, here are the rates, we're going to bring this down, we're going to bring this down. we're going to leave these how they are. how would you like to vote for this? are you going to oppose this? and people didn't really vote for compromise necessarily this election. they overwhelmingly elected the president, they gave the senate to democrats, and they voted for more democrats in the house. now, just because they're gerrymandered and a tea party house doesn't reflect what voters said on election day. so, you know, and as obama keeps pointing out, more people support higher taxes on the rich than even supported obama himself. so the mandate here is clear. it's for higher taxes on the rich and it's not for messing around with entitlements right now. >> ryan grim, susan page, thanks. >> thanks. >> thank you. >>> and we are keeping our
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